Blood Lions threatens to bring down lion breeding industry

Written by: Jane Edge 

A campaign around the new documentary film, Blood Lions, has gone global, threatening to bring down South Africa’s lucrative captive lion breeding industry.

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© Ian Michler

London comedian Matt Lacey rocketed to fame when his Gap Yah sketch, which poked fun at posh young Brits volunteering in the developing world, received over five million YouTube views. But when Lacey embarked on his own volunteer experience at Ukutula lion-park in South Africa, he was rather more earnest. Writing in the UK’s Daily Telegraph, Lacey described Ukutula as “dedicated to conservation and research”. The lion cubs he cared for were “cute and playful” while the older lions “soon lose their tameness, enabling them to be released into the wild”. Four large males in a separate pen, “were due to be sent off to Congo to help replenish the stocks of lions there that had been devastated by war”.

Sadly and ironically, Matt Lacey was conned. Like thousands of other well-meaning volunteers, he bought the story that his efforts helped conserve lions. Yet according to leading conservation NGOs such as Wildlands, Endangered Wildlife Trust and Panthera, captive lion-breeding centres do nothing for conservation. Indeed, not a single captive-bred, hand-reared lion has been successfully released into the wild. Instead, every day in South Africa, two to three captive-bred, effectively tame, lions are killed in canned lion hunts. And helping to fuel this industry are thousands of eager volunteers who unwittingly pay +-US$1,000 per week to look after lion cubs that are bred for the bullet. The volunteers believe they are orphans, yet the cubs are deliberately removed soon after birth, forcing their mothers back into oestrus and ensuring that they become continuous breeding machines. The scale of the industry is huge, with some 4,000 lion cubs born in captive breeding facilities in South Africa each year.

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© Ian Michler

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© Ian Michler

In 1997, ITV’s The Cook Report exposed South Africa’s canned lion hunting industry, eliciting a wave of outrage that prompted government to ban the practice, determining that captive-bred lions must fend for themselves for 24 months before being hunted. However, in 2010 the SA Predator Breeding Association won a High Court Appeal to overturn this legislation and today canned lion hunting is legal, generating some US$10 million per year. This, coupled with exponential growth in the voluntourism sector, has created a highly lucrative industry, with lion breeding centres generating up to US$100,000 per month from volunteer fees alone.

More recently the massive growth in Asian demand for lion bones (used as a proxy for tiger bones in the making of tiger bone wine) has created yet another revenue stream – an estimated 1,000 lions are now killed annually for the burgeoning lion bone trade. With three major sources of revenue, the lion breeding industry has grown exponentially – today there are 6,000-7,000 lions in cages in South Africa, representing a quarter of all lions remaining in Africa.

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© Pippa Hankinson

Over the past few weeks however, there have been growing signs that the industry’s hey-dey may be over. The shocking new South African documentary film, Blood Lions, hit global television screens on MSNBC and Discovery Channel in early October, unleashing a storm of outrage. The social media tsunami that ensued not only crashed the Blood Lions website but triggered a domino effect that could prove to be unstoppable.

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In the few weeks since Blood Lions went live on international screens:

– #BloodLionsSa has become one of South Africa’s top twitter trends, with hundreds of angry messages calling for a ban on captive lion breeding. The tweet storm included messages from Hollywood actors Ellen DeGeneres and Ian Somerhalder who sucked in millions of fans, while Facebook and twitter sites such as Volunteers in Africa Beware, #talktotheclaws, #WheresRicky, and #BredForTheBullet were bombarded.

– A petition was launched on advocacy site www.change.org, calling on RealGap, the Association of British Tour Operators and TUI to stop sending volunteers to lion breeding programmes, garnering thousands of signatures. It warned of possible legal action against RealGap and its holding company, TUI, by misled volunteers.

–  Global hotel group Marriott found itself in the middle of a tweet storm over its Protea Ranch Resort and Lion Park, one of 116 hotels acquired when Marriott bought the Protea Hospitality Group last year.

– Johannesburg’s Lion Park, one of South Africa’s top tourist attractions, announced that it would stop tourists interacting with lion cubs from 2016.

– In the USA and Europe, several tourism companies cancelled programmes or diverted groups that were destined for lion encounter programmes, while South African Tourism board member Colin Bell warned of the captive lion industry’s damaging impact on “Brand South Africa”.

– The Australian Government implemented a ban on the import of wildlife trophies, with Federal Labor Member Melissa Parke calling predator breeding and canned hunting “a moral failure on the part of the human race”.

Fair Trade Tourism announced it would tighten its certification criteria for volunteer programmes – aiming to promote best practice, safeguard the safety of children, animals and volunteers, and eradicate false marketing.

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© Ian Michler

Dr Luke Hunter, president of the global wild cat conservation organisation Panthera, this week described the captive lion breeding industry as “ethically miserable” and said: “The bottom line is the lion encounter industry does nothing to conserve wild lions.” Kelly Marnewick, head of Endangered Wildlife Trust’s carnivore conservation programme, said: “Captive breeding is not a conservation recommendation for carnivores. We are extremely concerned at the number of facilities holding predators for financial gain.” And Dr Andrew Venter, CEO of Wildlands, accused the captive lion breeding industry of doing damage on multiple fronts and added: “We will not rest until this industry has been completely transformed.”

Following the premier screening of Blood Lions at the Durban International Film Festival, Hermann Meyeridricks, president of the Professional Hunters Association of South Africa, wrote to members: “The tide of public opinion is turning strongly against this form of hunting. Even within our own ranks, respected voices are speaking out publicly against it…. I have come to believe that, as it stands, our position on lion hunting is no longer tenable.” The South African Predator Breeding Association has scrambled into action, approaching North West University to investigate the value of the captive lion industry in preparation of its defence.

The cat, so to speak, is firmly out of the bag.

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  • Rosie St Lam

    About time too !

  • Anja Denker

    I bloody hope so – this has been going on far too long; I remember years back the first exposé on Carte Blanche….. something surely has to happen now!!!!

  • DS

    They need to ban ALL hunting of all animals in Africa. They should only allow photo tours/safaris which have proven to be even more lucrative than killing them. Killing our animals is a violation of nature and nature will eventually turn on us for what we are doing/allowing. Canned and Trophy hunting isn’t real hunting… it is basically taking tame lions and parading them in front of coward “hunters” who only want a head for their wall to make themselves look brave and skilled at hunting – it is a total lie. Those trophies just show what psychopathic/narcissistic/sick cowards they are. They disgust me and they should everyone.

    • Dixie Darling

      personally I believe ALL hunting of ANY living being should be banned worldwide! There is absolutely NO REASON for any of it!!!!

      • DS

        I totally agree!

      • Stace

        Eating?!
        That’s why hunting exists!!
        Hunting for sport is the problem

        • paulaj15

          Oh please…hunting for food! We’re not living in the hunter/gatherer days and billions of farm animals are slaughtered for that very purpose. It is irresponsible for us as a society to condone the continued merciless attack on wildlife when it is completely unnecessary. And while hunters will say but I want to eat meat because I know where it comes from and it’s healthier, the vast majority still eat chicken, pork and especially beef on a regular basis so that’s a pile of Crap! Who the hell is anyone kidding…saying they are killing for food and not sport is as ridiculous as saying that Trophy Hunting leads to Conservation! It’s not so and the evidence shows otherwise!!

        • Freedom

          Stace no need to slaughter wildlife to eat,cattle and sheep are not endangered,but they too need not be killed, everything our system needs for survival is available though fruit,vegatables,nuts legumes etc.If you need to kill anything the world is overpopulated by criminals,
          thieves,rapists murderers I can carry on,animals are innocent why kill the innocent.Rather kill those who are a drain on the tax payers and who are useless as human beings.I am a vegaterian.Look up on the internet how cattle and sheep even chickens suffer before being put to death.It will make you think twice before you eat any meat ,chicken and fish.

          • Jason

            Plants are alive too. Veggies are alive too. If you eat, you kill, period. Wheter its plants or meat. Now here is a question, do you want to live ? Then kill.

          • Freedom

            Oh damn not you again Jason we have had this conversation before if my memory selves me well.You seem to forget one thing vegatables once dry give off seed which germinate and feed again.Animals don’t make seeds to regrow once they are killed that’s it.They are dead.DO you understand the difference if not there is no hope for you.

          • well said Freedom!

          • Freedom

            methinks the carrot compares himself to a carrot,poor thing he has lost his marbles.

          • Dixie Darling

            unlike animals plants do NOT feel pain or emotions! In order to feel pain a nervous system connected to a brain is required and plants just don’t qualify!

          • Willem Frost

            You obviously know nothing about ‘plant neurobiology’.

          • Willem Frost

            The rubbish you write is rather hilarious, but it is still rubbish. But please carry on; you are quite effective in destroying your so-called anti-hunting case. Fool! Ignoramus!

          • Freedom

            You are the fool Willem.As long as I am effective in destroying the anti -hunting case then I am extatic.Your use of long words you do not even know the true meaning of is extremely hilarious, as is your comment rubbish utter rubbish.FOOL!

          • Willem Frost

            I see you can’t even write proper English and your spelling is as poor as your understanding of the world.

          • Freedom

            Is this an English spelling and comprehension class,or a lesson in how to get idiots like you locked up.You know there is a song named after you.THE FOOL ON THE HILL”as for bad English & wrong spelling of words there are none not according to my Oxford Encyclopaedia.Did you buy yours in Limpopo or was yours a free gift from the fool of fools ZUMA.,you freaking dingbat.

        • Stace

          I stand by what I said. Paula…in a world where poverty is still rife your argument is null, void.
          To both replies, without farming for meat we would have a real problem on our hands. In fact, without farming there would be no life, man cannot survive on veg alone. Well, maybe in the days of vitamins and “healthy balanced diets”.
          The problem is when we are farming for rich people to hunt, providing masses of money to local economies will encourage captive breeding. It needs cutting at the root…..money and power.

          • Dixie Darling

            I guarantee you are not aware that Broccoli has more and better protein than any piece of a corpse of any kind ever will, and yes, you can live without killing innocent animals! Eating meat will on the other hand ruin your health and causes deadly diseases.

        • Dixie Darling

          there are approximately 70,000 edible plants and you think it is OK to take an innocent life when there is absolutely no need to?

      • Willem Frost

        You clearly have NO understanding at all of the basic fundamentals of conservation in the 21st century, but you think you can tell the world what to do and what not to do. You make me sick.

        • Dixie Darling

          but the conservationists have the right to “control” nature? You don’t make me sick, you ARE sick!

          • Willem Frost

            Exactly! You live in a fool’s paradise if you think there will be any natural areas left on this planet without human intervention and control by conservationists – not with more than 7 billion people around to consume and destroy. We simply have to manage what’s left before that also disappears. What is so difficult to understand about this?

          • Dixie Darling

            Conservation does NOT work! Plus if you eat any kind of animal products whatsoever you are contributing to the demise of this planet!

          • Willem Frost

            Seems like you’re a complete nutcase. Not prepared to talk to you any further on this.

    • Ravan Damien

      Photo tourism brings in more money in the long run anyway. I mean, not only is it a fact already that no-kill safaris generate more income per week than those who go hunting, but in a world of common sense, people understand that when you aren’t killing things, they tend to breed and create more animals for others in the future to enjoy. Stop the killing and guarantee the future income. If money is all these idiots understand, surely they’ll understand at least this.

      • Willem Frost

        Where do you get the idea that photo tourism brings in more money? This is a blatant untruth/lie. If you really believe this rubbish, please provide evidence.

        • DS

          Again – facts Willen – facts.

          • Willem Frost

            Show me your evidence. There is none.

          • DS

            I gave you “evidence” upon “evidence” on the Captain Paul Watson site – I am not giving it to you again because clearly you did not believe the facts and truth provided so why would I anticipate you would read or admit it is factual now? I’m done with you and most on here are not interested in you, a hunter, trying to continue the propaganda and lies of the hunting community.

          • Willem Frost

            You quoted only one report that has no credibility because it contained a lot of false “findings” in Tanzania which was then presented as an Africa-wide position. That report only showed how morally and intellectually bankrupt and desperate you people are.
            It is also not accepted by any of the world’s conservation authorities. You will have to learn that you will not convince anybody with disinformation, propaganda and lies.

          • DS

            Again – not true… I posted many, many articles by conservationists who did what this article does and that is out the hunters ridiculous claims. You just didn’t read them clearly. Either way – I am not chatting with you on this subject any more. You are just a hunter wanting to preserve your right to slaughter animals.

        • Freedom

          I would rather shoot wildlife with a camera than a gun .Nothing gives me and many other more pleasure than seeing animals in the wild.Another issue Willem,I beg you you dispense of that word “RUBBISH”that is found in my black bag.ready for collection on Friday

    • Willem Frost

      You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. Who are the “they” that should ban all hunting? Your notion that photo safaris are more lucrative is utter rubbish. The national parks allow only photo safaris and none of them is financially viable; they have to be subsidised by the tax payer – even the Kruger. Hunting on private land, on the other, pays its own way.
      “Killing our animals is a violation of nature……..” What ownership do you have of wildlife? I guess none. Please be advised that I own a lot of animals and that I hunt some of them. They are MY animals on MY land and I have invested a lot of money in them. I guess your investment is zero. So, who the heck do you think you are to tell me how to deal with my own animals – you are not even from this country.
      You clearly also have no clue what trophy hunting is, but is typical of your type.
      I am even more disgusted by you.

      • DS

        Willem – I have had long discussions with you on the thread with Captain Paul Watson. On that thread you are the minority and on this issue you are absolutely just a hunter fighting for your right to keep killing. You are not a paid, college educated conservationist. That is not your profession, you are not a scientiest and you accordingly have no credentials to speak on this issue. I do not have those credentials either; however, what I do have is over 20 years of legal research experience which I have used to research conservation issues because animals and ecology are a passion of mine. I do know that I have provided you hard evidence and fact that have all stated, from the professionals and scientists, that killing is in no way conservation and does not help to save the animals. If your facts were accurate 90% of the lion population would not have been gone over the last 30 years. The proof is very simply, facts or no facts, evident in the numbers of lions left. Period. You can drone on about your land and your experience; however, no one is listening because they can go find the same facts as I have found with a simple search of educational and scientific data. The psychiatrists have also weighed in on the matter and found that Trophy/Canned Hunters exhibit traits known as the Dark Triad, which include narcissism, machiavellianism and psychopathy. Those are the exact same traits possessed by serial killers. Those people make the same claims as you so again you will forgive me if I defer to the experts over a hunter trying to desperately keep killing to get his perverted fix.

        • Willem Frost

          I don’t really have to prove my credentials to you or any other silly animal rights activist, but I am widely published on hunting and conservation matters and my views are shared by the World Conservation Union, the CIC and others. I have found that my views are in fact very widely respected. But you Debbie, darling, what have you published other than puking venom on the social media? If you knew anything about conservation, you would have known that the decline in lion populations is not caused by trophy hunting, but by a number of other factors. If you are really interested in the subject why don’t you familiarise yourself with the research paper that has just been published by dr. Henschel and other and other scientists. But I know from past experience that you and your type are not open for civilised debate or facts that do not support your bizarre views of the world. So, I am still waiting for you to come up with ANYTHING that will earn my respect.

          • What makes you feel so good about shooting a wild and innocent animal Willem? simple question? do you have a logical answer?

          • Willem Frost

            The hunters are the world’s best and most effective conservationists. That’s why I do what I do. I am also not a city-slicker hypocrite who eats meat that comes from the city abattoir and then points fingers at others who find their own organic meat.
            The sentiments that you express here has nothing to do with conservation. That’s where you antis have it all wrong: you think that bunny-hugging is conservation. It’s NOT. Conservation has to do with the well-being of ecosystems and species, but I have found that this is usually beyond the comprehension of the typical animal rightist.

          • So are you saying you don’t hunt for your own pleasure and for trophies ? but for conservation purposes ? Please have another look at the photos above and tell me it does not stab you in the heart to see those animals stripped of their freedom to roam in a wildlife park (like the Kruger Park) and live their lives in the way they are meant to live it?

          • Freedom

            Now really Willem Frost you really are talking RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Willem Frost

            I am amazed at your ignorance. You clearly know NOTHING about wildlife or hunting or conservation. Clearly no training or practical experience. Shame.

          • Freedom

            Willem are you trying to get your tally of up votes to 5,clearly you are not succeeding.I know more than you give me credit for dingbat,I know I like to see them alive and free,you they should lock up & throw away the key.I am not interested in hunting therefore I don’t need any practical experience.The SHAME is on YOU there is such a thing as paying for your sins I sincerely hope it is very soon.Like tomorrow maybe.

          • Freedom

            Have you now convinced yourself on that issue.You do what you do because you are a killer,nothing less.If you can afford your expensive SPORT(DISGUSTING PIG)then you can only be a city-slicker yourself.Not content to point fingers you are a first class lier to boot oh I forgot a killer, damn how can I forget that Willem is a killer

          • Vivien Moorhouse

            Well said Bonita. – Hunters of any Animals have the psychopathic instinct inside them – The feeling of having power over another more vulnerable Being who cannot defend themselves – And this is where they gain their sick satisfaction.- The knowledge that Life or death is in their hands over that poor living Being. !!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are incapable of feeling empathy or pity towards the one being killed. …… Very dangerous people.

          • Freedom

            Your respect is irrelevant,it ours that counts,there sure is loads of that you cowardly filthy trophy hunter,now why did that lion not get you too.
            Call yourself a hunter what a joke, more like a cowardly hunter who needs his prey half dosed before he shoots.

        • Tony Long

          I vote with Willem Frost

          • DS

            Won’t do you any good – they/we are already shutting down the trophy hunting industry. It will continue until we stop it all.

    • Freedom

      well said and amen to that.

  • Harriet

    I volunteered at the Lion Park 7 times and totally believed those amazing cubs would never be sent off to be hunted. I asked over and over again and each time was told the same thing. “THESE LIONS ARE NEVER SOLD FOR HUNTING”. I am no teenager and even took 3 grandchildren as I was so convinced there was no sell to hunt going on.

    • Slingerss

      This is where doing your own research could have helped you. You CAN find complaints, reviews, online easily, if you are willing to do a google search.

    • Ravan Damien

      What were you expecting to hear if you ASKED them? They’re not in the business of making money on honesty. They practically don’t know what telling the truth even feels like. You have to do research on your own, not rely on the decency of other people.

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  • Alicia Whelan

    My daughter was also conned by Ukutula. You can read her blog to find out more http://www.claws-out.com

  • Tony Long

    I’m confused
    If the Asians have this unquenchable demand for lion bone, why don’t we harvest captive bred lions, as we do cattle?
    That will go a long way to protecting lions from poaching in the wild.
    Kenya banned the exploitation of wildlife and Kenya’s wild population plumetted – nobody thought it worth saving.

    • Susan Endlich

      Why do we need to kill animals for human entertainment, false medicinal claims, and pure greed? Have you no value of the sanctity of life or is all animal life to be reduced to commodification?

      • Tony Long

        Because we are natural predators – this kind of activity, especially the consumption of animal products, is part of our make-up as primates and humans.
        Humans, to a great extent, treat other humans as commodities – what makes you think that it would be natural to treat non-human species differently

        • paulaj15

          Uh and no we were natural predators in hunter/gatherer days out of necessity at that time because we were not evolved. We have developed a system to slaughter billions of animals for consumption so the need to kill wild animals is refuted. And actually the need to eat farm animals is negative and is proven by the millions of vegetarians the world over who have never eaten meat their entire lives and are still breathing…Wow…must be a miracle!! So let’s understand something here…people “CHOOSE” to eat meat and they “CHOOSE” to kill animals and as Sir Paul McCartney says ” If slaughterhouses had glass walls, more people would be vegetarian”. Today’s factory farming is all about big business and big profit…nothing else. They hold much power in influencing government with their lobbying for laws that would benefit them and suppress any kind of animal welfare protection. And the big difference in how we treat other people and how we treat animals is people can speak up for themselves…animals do not have a voice and the cruelty we have inflicted upon them will one day be viewed for the great tragedy that it is!

          • Gail Potgieter

            Whether or not a person chooses to eat meat is a personal question. However, I don’t think that eating only vegetables is great for conservation either. It all comes down to land use, and the planting of monoculture crops over enormous tracts of land to feed people is even more ecologically damaging than free range cattle farming. Ecologically, game farming is better than free range cattle farming or monoculture crop farming.

            Thousands of hectares of rainforest are lost every year because people slash and burn areas to produce crops. On the other hand, some rainforests are left empty of life because people hunt for ‘bush meat’ unsustainably. This is obviously at the level of subsistence farmers, but it really isn’t all that different from the choices people make in the affluent West. Whatever we choose to eat, we will impact the environment – that is a simple fact we have to live with. However, we can try and eat products that are produced sustainably and are ecologically friendly (game meat being one of these). We should also stand together to get rid of unnecessarily cruel practices, such as captive lion breeding and canned hunting.

          • Willem Frost

            Well said, Gail.

        • Susan Endlich

          Have you heard of Ghandi or Martin Luther King? Nonviolence is a respected and proven path toward evolution and living aligned with our higher nature. If you want to muck around in the primal mud of violent primitive ancestors, go ahead. Don’t think for a moment that it is a foregone conclusion for the rest of us.

          • Ram

            The correct spelling is ‘Gandhi’. I’ll delete this reply after you’ve had a chance to read it. 🙂

          • seriously. Your are going to talk about spelling errors.. Seriously!!! do you have any valuable comment to add ?

          • Susan Endlich

            Thanks Ram! So appreciated. 🙂

        • Susan Endlich

          I know plenty of humans who do not view themselves as “natural predators” with animals or humans. Humans have the capacity to evolve, create, expand our consciousness. If we were to create our cultures and institutions today with our technological potentials and given the limitations of our environment and resources, we could do so without using the blood, flesh and skin of other living sentient beings. It is barbaric to continue an outdated and brutish mean life when we have other options available. If we can live well without harming other living, feeling, sentient beings, why wouldn’t we?

      • Willem Frost

        What you folks don’t understand is that wildlife is no more than just another natural resource. An animal is NOT a human, but the wildlife resource should be utilised in a sustainable manner and ethically. This is what hunting is about.

        • Susan Endlich

          Wildlife is a self-serving euphemism that allows certain humans to objectify and commodify other living beings. Animals are not “resources” for our use. Animals feel fear, pain, pleasure and love, just like we do. If you doubt me, google videos of animals on the internet–wild animals as well as rescued farm animals. They have full complex lives, relationships, and feelings. Hunting is an activity by a well-connected, but short-sighted minority. The majority values having animals who live freely in natural habitats, especially in a world where humans are encroaching more and more into nature’s ecosystems. Our wildlife services pander to the hunting lobby in an outdated paradigm. Just because it’s legal, doesn’t make it right. There is no reason to murder animals in our modern culture.

          • Well put Susan. We are not cavemen but some seem to think they are and live barbaric lives.

          • Susan Endlich

            In agreement, Bonita. Cavemen is the perfect term. Brutish and crude, unable to respect the sanctity of life.

          • Willem Frost

            Susan, I also value “…animals who live freely in natural habitats”, but who do you think has to pay for this? I have committed everything I have to this ideal. How much are you and the typical anti-hunter prepared to pay for this luxury?

          • Susan Endlich

            If more humane ways of conservation were incentivized and the corruption were taken out of the current system, there would be a way to donate, even with our own taxes. Right now, hunters pay a paltry sum to murder animals, and destabilize natural order of the packs, usually picking off a “trophy” dominant males versus the weaker animals would who naturally be vulnerable in the wild. The children are then killed by a competing male. Many lives are destroyed with the one kill. Only a small portion of money supports wildlife and the communities. Animals would be much more “lucrative” to the ecotourist industry if kept alive — earning money over the lifetime of an animal versus a hunter killing an animal for a one time fee. Let’s face it, canned hunting farms are atrocious and have invited a whole ungodly array of hunting opportunists. Not even serious hunters support this. In the US, the minority group of hunters and ranchers with the help of our wildlife services decimate wildlife — WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS. I’m sick and tired of this. We lend other countries billions of dollars, why can’t some of that go for true wildlife conservation? Where there is a will, there is a way. Finally, the current system is not working, given the massive extinction happening. At some point, not to far off, this will be a moot issue.

          • Willem Frost

            Susan, I am afraid there are some serious flaws in your reasoning.
            Your first sentence is interesting. Urbanised people from other continents, especially North America, like to tell us in Africa how to go about preserving our wildlife heritage. But I don’t see them committing any serious money where it really matters. So, not many people in Africa take you seriously.
            “…hunters pay a paltry sum….” . This not true, but I suppose you are not well informed about hunting and/or conservation. So, I will forgive you.
            Your whole long story about “……many lives are destroyed with one kill” is also not correct, although this may happen once in a blue moon – on an exceptional basis. You should know that trophy hunters take the old males that are past their breeding age. You have probably heard this nonsense being spread by the anti-hunting cabaal about lions. Now it seems you want to make it applicable to all species.
            You suggest that photographic tourism generates more money than hunting tourism. This is a fundamental untruth that the antis have been spreading for a long time now in a desperate attempt to put the hunting industry in the worst possible light. Reality is the opposite. I know; I have practical experience with both hunting and photographic tourism. The latter also causes many other problems.
            Not sure hunters are the minority group you make them out to be. Would like to see your empirical research in this regard. In my experience there are usually about 25% of people for any debatable issue, 25% against it, and about 50% in the middle without a view.
            Not sure why you raise the question of “canned hunting farms”.
            Your claim that USFW and hunters “decimate wildlife in the USA” with taxpayers’ money, is with respect absurd. My information is that by the late 1920’s there were less than 600 000 white-tailed deer left in the USA. Today there are more than 30 million, thanks to the hunting industry and USFW. Other species have also recovered exceptionally well. I would suggest you suggest you verify your facts again before posting untruths on the social media.
            Would love to see your definition of “…true wildlife conservation”. We might all learn something.
            Your reference to “…the massive extinction happening…” is interesting. Are you suggesting that hunting is causing a massive extinction? If so, can you name us the species that have been hunted into extinction? Specifically, can you name us one single African mammal that has gone extinct in the 100 years as a result of hunting?

          • William frost and other hunters will go on and on about how their murderous hobby sustains conservation. The good news is that they are in the minority now and their reasoning for senseless killing for fun is frowned upon by society.

    • ginabella23

      what happens to cattle also has to stop!

      • Tony Long

        See my comment above.

        • paulaj15

          See my comment above.

      • Willem Frost

        And what about the poor plants that you so eagerly murder?

    • paulaj15

      Yes you are confused…this notion and mentality that wildlife is only important to the world as an economic means and what dollar value it holds sums up everything that is wrong with the world today. The health of human beings and our very existence is tied to the health of the biodiversity of this planet and when we are so arrogant to think that we can start managing the populations and numbers of species, it comes back to haunt us everytime. We share this planet…let’s not forget that!!

      • Denni A

        bravo, well said.

      • Tony Long

        Unfortunately, we have to ‘manage’ the biosphere. We are so numerous that we would not survive otherwise. Whether or not we do ultimately survive is unclear.

    • Gail Potgieter

      Because cattle are domesticated animals that have been bred for thousands of years for human consumption. Lions are wild animals, and if they are hunted they should be hunted as wild animals, not tame animals that are little more than pets. The canned hunting industry has no value for lion conservation, and supplying the Asian markets with lion bones does nothing to protect natural populations. If it were made legal, it would just provide a way for people to ‘launder’ lion bones obtained from wild populations. Without any conservation value, we have to ask if the industry is an ethical way of making money, which it clearly isn’t.

    • Ravan Damien

      The Chinese do captive breed big cats. It’s disgusting. I’ve seen photos from Tiger Farms in China and those animals look like they’d rather be dead already.

      Tigers are meant to be solitary and live in HUGE areas of land. These tigers….they’re crammed with 50 others into pens no larger than the frozen section at the local grocery store.

      • Tony Long

        I hear you………
        OK – what do you suggest?
        That they continue to kill animals in the wild, thereby bringing the various species to extinction?

        • There should be harsher punishment for poachers. Harsh prison sentences or be shot on the spot if they have killed an endangered species. Poachers must be AFRAID, VERY AFRAID. A program of culling when a game farm is overpopulated or transferring animals to game farms/parks where the numbers are dwindling seems to be a better way to go.

          • Tony Long

            Harsh prison sentences, as we know, have a limited effect on the prevention of crime.
            As with drugs, its the CUSTOMERS who should persuaded not to engage in the market. Until this can be assured, harvesting of animals will continue – and better from captive bred than from wild stock.

          • Willem Frost

            The poacher is not the fundamental problem; it the businessmen behind them.

    • Willem Frost

      Well said, Tony. You make a valid point, but there too many idiots on this page who will not be able to grasp this.

      • Tony Long

        Ja Willem – this is a very emotive issue, and is one that the coffee conservationists find easy to grasp – it doesn’t require extensive knowledge or experience to become ‘righteously’ angry. Give them some slack – they don’t know why they are wrong.
        We know, for instance that World renowned wildlife conservator, Ian Player was fully in agreement with planned hunting as a way to preserve the wildlife environment – he knew what he was talking about.
        Eco terrorism has become a powerful political force today with the expansion of the urbanised middle class, who are the uninformed, thus unwitting foils of their eco-political mentors.

    • Have you lost your mind!?

      • Tony Long

        Your point?

    • That is the sickest notion I have EVER heard. What is wrong with you?!

    • BS

  • san

    Some reserve and parcs open for both tourist and hunter not at the same place and at the same time …. but it is bad. We should have a list of reserve who don’t open for hunt

  • Catherine

    big game hunters are the worst kind of scum on the planet – when can we start killing/hunting the killers?

    • Denni A

      they are not “hunters”, they are serial killers. the psychology is no different whether it be human or animal.

    • Willem Frost

      Sweetheart, you don’t understand what the word scum means. The worst vermin and scum on this planet are the animal rights activists who are contributing in a major way towards the demise of Africa’s wildlife through their utter arrogant stupidity. Shame on you!

      • animallover

        I think she does know what scum is. I think she sees you. You have a warped way of looking at things if you see anyone who has the welfare of animals the demise of these animals is very warped. I would also object if I were her of you calling her sweetheart in such a patronising manner. ALL hunters are murdering ( I will not say scum) Bastards. Will that do darling?

      • Freedom

        Is that why the numbers of our wildlife have dramatically decreased?I think not it is idiots,scum and vermin like you,who believe that trophy hunting ,canned hunting is the way to increase the numbers,my word some people need some serious tuition on saving of the world.

      • Freedom

        Shame on you,you are the scum here,who the hell do you think you are?You are not talking to second graders,God help this country,with people of you stupidity and lack of intelligence,akin to showerhead,this country is doomed.

        • Willem Frost

          A very intelligent, convincing and well thought out argument. You have bowled me over ! A very good day to you.

          • Freedom

            I too rest my case,you have the intelligence of a rock.

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  • Jason Jangaard

    I have a Better idea. What if the hunters become the hunted and So on. Catherine im competently with you on this subject.

    • Willem Frost

      I am a hunter and I am waiting for you. Come try your luck; bring it on. But remember: I will shoot back.

      • I have a better idea. Why don’t we put you in a cage with a lion without your deadly weapon and see what happens.

  • Slingerss

    Eco-tourism. A feel good way for people to PAY to volunteer at these places that do nothing to conserve or protect wildlife. I get that people want to do good, but a little research goes a long ways. Make sure you are volunteering at a legit wildlife sanctuary and/or reserve. There are many out there, and they don’t ask you to pay thousands of dollars to volunteer. Volunteerism is all well and good, but it was only a matter of time before the industry was exploited by unethical wildlife parks, and people.

    • Denni A

      agree, no longer is there an excuse for “ignorance” on any issue or industry. the information is out there on everything at the tip of one’s fingers whether it be puppies sold in pet shops, clothes made of fur labeled ‘faux’, captive breeding, SeaWorld, the list goes on.

  • Anja J

    Never going to get a handle on some of this stuff until you get China and some of the Asian countries to grow up and realize tiger/lion bones are NOT some sort of magical potion. Get out of the dark ages folks. Not only have they paid poachers to make tigers almost extinct in this world, but, also elephants. So many murdered by poachers who just then take chain saws to cut off half their faces to get to get their tusks so the Chinese can have ivory. Must bring a LOT of pressure against China, they can never be a world power with dark age beliefs like their billion population has.

  • Mike D

    This documentary was long overdue. I can’t wait to see it. This is a despicable industry. I am shocked that so many volunteers were naive enough to believe their BS. Only a coward would hunt this way. Sanctions must be placed on China to stop the bone industry. These Chinese are so stupid to believe there is any medical benefit to lion or tiger bones. That notion must be negated by medical doctors.

  • Denni A

    this industry is an abomination. it exposes the moral decay and depravity of humanity and those who participate in it the worst of humankind. so glad the world has been exposed to it, there is no defense for what is done to these poor, unfortunate Lions.

  • Alison Heyns

    BAN CANNED HUNTING – The practice is harming South Africa’s image overseas. There are now more lions held in captivity (upwards of 5000) in South Africa, than there are in the wild (only about 1500-2000). These lions are bred in captivity and most of them are hunted in canned hunting excursions for wealthy overseas trophy hunters. It is a well known fact that many hunting safari operators are greedy, nefarious and unscrupulous, and have no regard for conservation, or the environment, hence the proliferation of canned hunting and other unethical practices in SA!

    • Willem Frost

      I share your concern over the international image of South Africa. “Canned hunting” is however not hunting and all major hunting organisations are against it. Wish someone could find better terminology for canned hunting – we can’t call it hunting. Your wild swipe at the character of ‘safari operators’ is however way off the mark. It is true that the hunting industry also has its share of rotten apples like any other industry, but the outfitters and PHs that I know (and there many of them) are all dedicated to conservation through sustainable utilisation of wildlife as a natural resource.

      • DS

        BS – all the scientists and experts have come out to dispel the hunters propaganda that hunting saves the species. That is ludicrous to keep droning on about it when the simple facts speak for themselves… the lion population has fallen by 90% over the last 30 years. If you were accurate those numbers would be the reverse but they simply are not. You are just a hunter scared that we are making headway, and we are, in banning or curbing drastically Trophy & canned hunting. We will fight to ban all hunting one day – step by step this is happening as whole countries are starting to join this effort along with millions who are now aware of the Hunters perversions of killing for fun.

        • Well said DS. How do I contact you?

          • DS

            You can message me on ds@moonphaz on twitter.

        • Willem Frost

          Your first sentence above is a blatant lie. The World Conservation Union, CIC, Fish & Wildlife and many others say exactly what I do. Since you give yourself out to care about wildlife, why don’t you familiarise yourself with the reasons for the decline in the world’s wildlife? And why don’t you familiarise yourself with the reasons for the INCREASE in wildlife numbers in Namibia and South Africa whilst it is declining elsewhere on the continent?

        • Well said DS !

      • Freedom

        There is no more an appropriate word than”CANNED HUNTING”because thats what it is.

  • Nancycarol

    STOP TROPHY HUNTING! It’s an atrocious activity, only pursued by those who have more money than they know what to do with. This deceitful method of breeding just for killing must end. The human ego is not worth the lives of these magnificent beasts. Find some thing worthwhile to do with all that money, like helping animals to stay alive. Then you’d have a right to feel pride.

  • brianschultz@mweb.co.za

    I have never read so much rubbish. I understand that the countries that have banned trophy hunting have shrinking populations of the very animals that everybody on this blog says that they are wanting to conserve. There is no question that wildlife, like anything else, has to be seen as having an economic value otherwise it will perish.
    I am well aware that my post will elicit howls of protest but nobody else on this blog is saying it as it is. Without hunting the majority of the game farms in southern Africa WILL revert to being stock farms with all the negatives that go with that.

    • Gail Potgieter

      This blog post is about captive lion hunting, not hunting in general. Personally, I would prefer cattle farms over lion farms. A lion farm is not an ecologically sound wildlife area, like a large game farm. The lions are fed dead animals, they do not hunt for themselves. There is nothing wrong with a large, well-managed game farm, especially one that allows natural predators to live on the property. Lion farms do nothing for conservation, and that is the point the conservationists quoted here are making.

      • brianschultz@mweb.co.za

        I think my point was more about the general attitude that came across in the blog that was strongly against trophy hunting in general. I certainly do not support so-called ‘canned’ hunting and would like the industry to clean up its act. My main point is that those that are against decent, sustainable hunting do not understand the importance of the industry in promoting conservation (as opposed to preservation). There are many unintended consequences that well-meaning people do not realise. There are just not enough general tourists to keep all the game farms going. And, just for the record, I am not a hunter!

        • Noted, Shoot what can be eaten. Don’t breed and “CAN” rare species for monetary gain.

          • brianschultz@mweb.co.za

            And why not? If it’s done sustainably and is generating income and jobs surely there is NO reason at all why it should not happen.

          • Gail Potgieter

            Almost all lion hunting in SA is done on lion farms, or of lions that come from farms. The practice does nothing for conservation, but is lucrative. I would be happy to see CITES ban lion trophy exports from SA until such time as we can say without doubt that there are no more lions being bred in captivity. I don’t support a total ban on lion trophies from all countries, as none of the other countries breed lions to be shot. Real trophy lion hunts should be rare, in the wild, and extremely expensive. A good portion of the money made should go directly into conservation.

          • Willem Frost

            Lion populations in West, Central and East Africa are under severe pressure, whilst South Africa is the only country where all lion populations show an increase in numbers. Perhaps we should rather put a moratorium on lion hunting north of the Zambezi until such time as their numbers look better. What do we do in the meantime with the captive lions in SA? Kill them?

          • DS

            Their death warrants were sealed the moment they were “tamed” by the “conservationists” who raise them under that guise and then sell them off to be killed in Canned hunts. They will die regardless of whether it is in canned hunts or if euthanized once we are successful in banning canned/trophy hunts. Yes, they will die and those people who have them now are the reason. Greed – that is what sealed their fate along with the psychopaths who want to kill for fun. The total lion population is down 90% over the last 30 years. Hunting is not conservation – those are the simple facts you refuse to acknowledge on every thread you are involved with. We are not listening to your lies since your opinion has been disproven by all the scientists and conservationists.

          • Well said DS. The hunters who for some psychopathic reason find fun in killing for the sake of killing, are using excuses about how they are actually benefiting sustainability. Sorry but how f*cked up is that! we would not have this problem in the first place if people took care of animals rather hunt them for their own sick pleasure and greed. How does a hunter teach his own children to care for the innocent – animals and humans. How does he explain KILLING for FUN, because that is really what it boils down to. What we need to focus on is why people including hunters are breeding like RATS, taking over wild life territory for monetary gain and destroying rather than preserving. WE ARE THE PROBLEM – THE BREEDING GREEDY RATS! The animals have a right to be in their territory – they were here long before we were and we keep wiping them out. Teach your children to care and to find better ways to live and let live. Our children will have children too and are we going to teach them to KILL for FUN or to care and find a BETTER way to sustain our lives and the lives of the innocent and the heritage of our earth. Killing is destructive not constructive…I say it again: if we did not KILL for fun or for trophies this problem would not exist in the first place – we would have found a better way. And now we must look at ourselves and our principles and search deep for answers that make more sense.

          • DS

            Exactly…

          • Willem Frost

            So why do and Debbie not set an example: STOP BREEDING LIKE RATS!

          • Gail Potgieter

            The lion populations in southern Africa are indeed remaining stable, whereas other populations appear to be declining (East Africa) or are nearing extinction (West Africa). However, if you look at the numbers of lions and the distribution maps in the latest research papers (I refer to Bauer et al. 2015), then you will see that none of the captive lions in SA are counted. As far as lion conservation is concerned, captive lions do not exist.

            The main reason that South Africa has stable lion populations is because the reserves are fenced (note: reserves = natural game areas such as Madikwe, Kruger, Phinda etc., not farms). Good fences around small, manageable areas largely eliminates the greatest reason for lions declining: human-lion conflict (I refer to Packer et al. 2013). However, many scientists agree that the small, manageable reserves in SA are not ideal for lion conservation, as the lions quickly reach carrying capacity and have to be managed to avoid inbreeding (Creel et al. 2013).

            The largest numbers of lions are in Tanzania, where most of the populations are trophy hunted. There are severe problems with Tanzania’s trophy hunting system, and if these are not addressed then the lion populations there will continue to decline (Craig Packer has recently written a book about his Tanzanian experience). Instead of being useful for conservation, trophy hunting in Tanzania is having an additive effect to other factors such as human-lion conflict and habitat loss.

            In contrast, the hunting system (meat and trophies) in Namibia’s communal lands has been one of the key reasons for conservation success in that country. The system is under constant scrutiny, and there have been some calls for reform to make it more sustainable. Nonetheless, the benefits of hunting to rural people in Namibia are clear, and it does help conservation in the greater scheme of things.

          • Willem Frost

            Well said, Gail.

          • Ravan Damien

            Because it’s inhuman to subject animals to that kind of cruelty? At least when we ranch cattle, they run free in MASSIVE open spaces. Lions are not given such a space. They are often fed rancid maggot-ridden meat and they have to fight with each other for scraps. Deliberately removing animals from their mothers after birth is just reprehensible, and the veal industry should be banned just the same.

          • brianschultz@mweb.co.za

            Cattle raised for the beef industry to a great extent are kept in feedlots. But I suppose that is a MASSIVE open space….. I think that we should reeducate hyenas, these misinformed animals scavenge and will mostly eat maggot-ridden meat. And did you know that lions also scavenge more often than is realised; they also need a reeducation programme.

          • Do you have no humane way of generating income. Do you not have an education that allows you to do something other than KILL to generate income, create jobs and feed your family?

        • Gail Potgieter

          There are many blogs that are against hunting in general, and I do not support that position. There are some places where hunting is necessary to generate some income, thus supporting conservation of large areas. You can complain about any of those articles and make your point better than doing it on this one. I think that the hunting industry can actually prove that they are more interested in conservation than their pockets by helping to destroy canned hunting. There are a few voices in the industry against it, but we haven’t yet seen the whole industry come against this practice, which leaves the public wondering about their commitment to conservation.

      • Willem Frost

        Gail, you are one of the very few people on this page that talk sense. I agree that lion farming is a thorny issue. But given the drastic decline in lion numbers north of the Zambezi, we should perhaps think about how we can use captive bred lions to provide the Asians with lion bones – perhaps this can help reduce the pressure on the remaining wild lions.

        • PROVIDE ASIANS WITH LIONS BONES!!?? Are you serious?! this is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. WHY DON’T WE EDUCATE the Asians that LION bones are JUST that! LION bones nothing more! get out of the dark ages, please. You will give them bones and help them believe it has some magical value.. and they will want MORE.. geez really!! ?

          • Willem Frost

            OK, let them poach the wild lions.

          • Willem Frost

            EDUCATE THE ASIANS!!?? Are you serious? This is even more idiotic. It will take hundreds of years to ‘educate’ them and by then ALL the elephants, rhinos and lions will be gone. Please wake up! Hello!!!

        • Gail Potgieter

          There is no evidence that supplying lion bones from captive lions will actually reduce the Asian demand, mainly because no one has studied this. The only study I know of that even talks about this issue is Lindsey et al. 2012, where the authors speculate that captive lion bones could actually stimulate Asian demand for the product. It is similar in many ways to the legalising rhino horn debate. The product is used for traditional medicine, and is driven by Asian perceptions. If we sell more of the product to them, then we are legitimising the use of horn and bones, which may open up a much bigger market in Asia than we imagine possible. There are an awful lot of people over there, and only a small percentage of them can afford these products at the moment. If we provide more bones and horn at cheaper rates, then it is likely that a much larger percentage of Asians will buy them. I don’t think that a few thousand captive lions can supply enough bones for millions of Asians. If demand outstrips supply, then the suppliers will start looking at wild lions.

          The outcome of supplying more captive lion bones to Asia is thus potentially marginally positive, or completely and utterly disastrous. I think that it is simply not worth the risk, and it definitely does not justify keeping thousands of lions in zoo-like conditions.

          • Willem Frost

            I understand where you are coming from. My concern is that withholding any product from the market, will not dampen demand. All that will happen is that the price will increase. And when prices of wildlife products increase, it becomes an even more lucrative business for poachers and middlemen.
            The Asians will not change behaviour in the short or medium term. It will take ages of education before they realise that there is no point in consuming ivory, rhino horn or animal bones. In the meantime they will extirpate many elephant, rhino and lion populations before commonsense eventually prevails (which will not be in my or my children’s lifetime).
            We are dealing with a crisis and we cannot afford to wait until we find 100% guarantees that new initiatives is 100% failproof. We have now seen that CITES does not help rhinos at all. We cannot continue with the same measures that do not work; we have to try something new. And we are running out of time.
            It is tragedy that the governments of the liberal West is not prepared to stand up to eg China when it comes to conservation matters. Just look at how subservient our own government is when dealing with the Chinese; it is pathetic. I believe we need to do a number of things simultaneously in order to curb wildlife crime. Economic sanctions against China and Vietnam should be part of the package. Legalising controlled trade is another. So is more effective management of wildlife areas. And no mercy for the corrupt and the poacher and middleman.

  • Freedom

    These so called protectors of orphaned lion cubs are a disgrace to human kind,hang your heads in shame,their is such a thing as retribution.On my travels abroad I am ashamed to tell people I am a South African because of people like you,also my government is a big embarrassment too.Stop all canned or poaching of our wildlife,you are taking what belongs to me I pay my taxes(very high) to feed your lust for money and Zuma for his love of money.If you need to cull anything start by culling the human race the world is overpopulated anyway,while the animal kingdom is dying out at an alarming rate.

  • Willem Frost

    I am a hunter and proud of it. So-called “canned hunting”, i.e. the shooting of captive bred animals in small enclosures is NOT hunting and we will not participate in it. Wish someone could find more appropriate terminology for “canned hunting”.

    If you take the trouble to read the report that has just been published by Hans Bauer, Guillaume Chapron, Kristin Nowell, Philipp Henschel, Paul Funston, Luke T. B. Hunter,
    David W. Macdonald, and Craig Packer, on the current status of Africa’s lion populations, one gets a new perspective on intensive lion breeding. They found that all lion populations are on the decline, except in Southern Africa (South Africa, Zimbabwe, Botswana and Namibia). The strongest decline is in West Africa where lions are already extinct in many former lion areas. Populations are not declining at the same rate, but it is expected that west, central and East Africa will lose 50% of its lions over the next two decades. The only country in Africa where all lion populations are on the increase is South Africa. Even the Okavango population is on the decline. The reasons given for the decline in lion numbers are: widespread habitat loss, extensive prey base depletion, indiscriminate
    retaliatory or preemptive killing to protect humans and their livestock, poaching especially for the bushmeat trade, poorly regulated sport hunting in certain countries, and demand for traditional African and Chinese medicines.

    Point is that the conservation of Africa’s lions is a far more complex matter than just banning hunting. By outlawing hunting, lions do not stand to gain anything. The real issues need to be addressed, but my own experience suggests that that is asking too much from the typical anti-hunting activist.
    Following the mass media hysteria around Cecil the lion, a number of hunts (not only lion hunts) to Zimbabwe were cancelled. Consequently a number of villagers who are dependant on income from legal, controlled hunting suffered a major decline in income. They also did not get the meat they are used to. So, they did the only thing they could think of: poaching. In one incident 22 elephant were poached by poisoning a waterhole in Hwange National Park. When the elephants eventually died from the poison, the tusks were hacked out and the carcasses left to rot. The vultures, hyenas and jackals that came to feed on the carcasses also died. An unknown number, but certainly a large number, of other animals that drank from the poisoned waterhole also died. Interestingly, the anti-hunting fools had nothing to say about this on social or formal media.
    And who do we have to thank for this disaster? The anti-hunting community that deprived the locals from income and meat. So, shame on you anti-hunters! You are a disgrace.

    • Look in the mirror Willem Frost and tell me you LIKE killing innocent animals. Tell me your children LIKE seeing you do it. Tell me you have pets at home that your kids look after and tell me again how HUNTING is good thing for morality. Your reasons are excuses for wanting to KILL with a RIFLE. all your references and regurgitation of numbers and facts published by those who are looking INTO the real problem does not cover up the fact that you enjoy killing innocent animals. Can you not ‘see’ a better way other than KILLING ? It is people like you who perpetuate the problem not the people who care.

      I have a great idea for you: why don’t you hunt down poachers and shoot them instead? surely that will be a more useful cause? or are they more difficult to track down than ‘canned’ Lions ?.. With my permission, you may have the poachers’ heads stuffed and hang them on your wall and I will commend you for that.

      • Willem Frost

        What you idiots are too stupid to understand is that trophy hunting does not have an effect on wildlife numbers. The decline in wildlife numbers is the result of a number of other causes. This is well documented.
        If this is not true, then please explain to me why the non-hunting countries have so little wildlife left whilst the hunting countries (like South Africa and Namibia) have an abundance of wildlife? Why? If you can answer this, you may just be able to convince me. Bu t I know from past experience you have no answer. So you ignore the question or revert to your typical vulger comments.

        • DS

          You are the idiot if you think we would believe a self-admitted hunter. You are right it is well documented by non-hunting advocates who are scientists that you are absolutely incorrect. Killing animals does not have anything to do with conservation. You can shout your propaganda all day long but it will do no good because the truth is out there and it is not your “truth.” Blood Lions documentary showed everyone what SCI and people like you believe and advocate and why. SCI advertising that they are all about conservation and that too has been proven as rubbish. You will not win this argument because the science and facts do not support the hunters claims.

          • @Willem Frost. I have one very simple question for you: what exactly gives you so much pleasure in shooting an innocent animal? WHAT ?! does it make you feel like a HERO?

            Do your kids and family look at you and say: Well done,, wow! you did it! you killed a beautiful beast of nature! ….. please help me understand the pleasure you take from this.

          • Willem Frost

            Just answer my question.

          • Willem Frost

            OK, so I accept that once again you have NO answer to a simple question that I put to you: Why do the hunting countries have so much more wildlife?
            I also find it quite interesting that you lot have nothing to say about the poaching that you caused in Zimbabwe. Once again you just ignore reality that does not support your case. I can only assume that you feel happy about all those poisoned elephants, because the anti-hunting lobby has managed to cause a few hunts to be cancelled. That the poachers then took over does not seem to bother you. That makes you vermin in my eyes.

  • stu elman

    Who’d want to kill one of these beautiful cats? Those faces are just so precious. I look at my cat and look at the lions. I see no difference except in size. You, that kill, have a cold heart. Your killing must cease. Let the cats populate and live free.

    • Stu, I and millions of others will also never understand what pleasure is derived from killing an innocent animal heartlessly – not for food but for showing off a trophy ! look at the pain they inflict and if a hunter tells me animals are not human – damn right they are! animals kill to eat or to defend themselves – NOT for fun! It is human GREED that is the cause of all of this. If people talk about animals being a monetary resource, it also makes me sick – if you want to create a monetary resource, go plant some vegetables or start a shrimp farm. Doing something that actually takes some savvi and skill. Killing lion that you are LED to by a ‘ranger’ or shooting it in an enclosure IN FRONT of the cubs is atrocious !

  • Pat Storey

    The only shooting that should be done is with a camera !!

  • Kidlet

    Be free like God intended you to be! Without humans involved. You as lions are the real hunters! You do this to feed yourselves and your off spring. Yes I totally agree and couldn’t say it better. I agree %100 percent agree it’s DS, and everyone else. Very well written and bang on! Men that never grew up. Cheater and cowards. Should be hanging your heads down and low as you are all cowards and liars.

  • Vicky Seacrist Coutu

    Stop this horrific act of blood lions. These animals need to remain wild along with their cubs. Not in a photo session or to be observed or to be killed for sport. Stop this act now!

  • Annick Lascaux

    yes they are serial killers. send them to fight ISIL and see what a real gun fight is about!!!

  • Marilyn Wilson

    What’s most important is the tide has turned and Blood Lions will put the last nail in their coffin.

    • There really is no difference between a cruel poacher and cruel hunter of canned lions. They are both emotionless and have no conscience whatsoever.

  • Vivien Moorhouse

    The ONLY Way to shoot ANY Animal is with a camera – They are Living Feeling Beings with the right to live their lives on this planet – Just the same as us Humans – Who are by the way yet another form of the Animal Kingdom. And yes I agree 100 Percent that All Hunters ARE Sadly the scum of this Earth. There can never be any excuse for Animal cruelty.

  • Will Kelly

    ..New age SLAVERY is Being issued on the ANIMALs on the PLANET?! It’s a continued intelligence quota to BLOCK deVelopment & ABUSE the Lesser Minds to the point of M. U. R. D. E. R. , after Malice, building the GENOCiDE!?! ='(
    STOP the SLAUGHTER NOW!

  • I am so tired and revolted of the excuses made by trophy hunters by using ‘conservation statistics’ to cover up their LOVE of the ‘sport’ of HUNTING for FUN!.

    What these so-called skilled hunters should be doing is hunting the poachers and working with conservation to control the numbers of breeds of animals in parks in HUMANE ways (I don’t even like using the word ‘humane’ any longer because it seems that the hunters don’t really know what the word means anyway…

    http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket-news/Sea-Shepherd-hunts-Interpolwanted-poacher-escaped-Phuket/62320#ad-image-0

    This is how REAL MEN HUNT! The Sea Shephard goes after the dangerous poachers NOT after THE INNOCENT and defenceless and unarmed animal that are part of our heritage !!! @w@willemfrost:disqus

    and NOT by hiding behind your rifles, being led to where the BIGGEST TROPHY animals are and shooting them , and then showing off how BLOODY skillful you are. You are nothing but blood-thirty and hearless and I think many here would agree with me that we need to eradicate YOUR kind and find better ways to care for our wildlife and conserve it.

  • @willem@willemfrost:disqus I ask you again with tears in my eyes. What do YOU and your fellow hunters see when they look at the pictures above. Cubs cut off from their moms. captured and confused and trying to get out .. how does it make you feel? do you look at them and see another future trophy? how do your kids feel about these images?

  • Bruce

    Catherine some of us already are hunting people. Willem Frost doesn’t see the plight of others and yet with all our typing I’ll bet no one in this conservation will lift a finger for the well being of conservation/nature. We cut down 100 trees before we plant one yet the seeds are there. Time for change. As there is no communication between animals/humans, I would say that we are the keepers (not killers). Game hunting will always be around so keep it legal and strictly buck and pig/warthog (be realistic). Trophy hunters (usually white) and poachers (usually blk) must be stopped along with the chinese market…. MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD.

    • Nicely said Bruce. If you are hunting to eat what you kill, and hunt in a way that is not cruel to the species your are hunting, I see no problem with it. Thank you for voicing your opinion against Trophy hunting and poaching ! Killing Lions and Rhinos, etc. for trophies and for their horns and leaving their young orphaned is cruel and heartless. The Chinese need to be STOPPED – but more so the business men lining their pockets to ‘sell’ big game off for trophies and rhino horn.

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